Plural POV #60

me when i tried to ignore the men in the brain thinking they would go away, (spoiler alert: it didn’t)

my fandom is actually composed of quite a few plural collectives- and many of the fandoms we're in (besides a select few) have creators who are outwardly plural friendly and have supports for plural collectives (eg. pluralkit). so, id say in my experience personally in the few inbetweens ive interacted with my own fandom, its mostly been fine, besides the few outliers here and there, along with some strange ships id rather not think about again... - sun ☀

hello. systems. plurals. especially introtives/introjects/what have you. etc. i have a question! a few actually. what would you say your general experience(s) with fandom has been like? has it been well? did you feel respected in fandom spaces? id assume itd vary between them so if youve seen any patterns id like to know them as well. weird as hell post ik ik but work with me here

tw: identity crisis

hey brain. nice joke!! can i have my identity back now please?

Kinda wild how most people generally recognize that the "too sick to go to school, too sick to watch tv/play games" mindset our parents had was bullshit but still impose essentially the exact same rules on disabled adults and scrutinize them for enjoying low-energy hobbies while being too fatigued or in pain to work a full time job (or any job at all)

guys….. we ALL know that rugs DONT exist. they’re just CARPETS WHO ARE TRYING TO BE DIFFERENT. if you’re a rug, it’s because you don’t know that you were actually made with carpet material… smh.

from system to system.. how to unblur… in the past two or three months we’ve had clear knowledge of whose fronting a total of thrice… please i can’t do this anymore😭 -blurry

to the few people/sys who went batshit crazy over catching a fly and got us not only extremely tired and almost made the body pass out, but also somehow shut ANYONE ELSE OUT who tried to front from sheer willpower and determination alone????? how do i eject someone from a brain

one of the most important things about dissociative identity disorder and generally being a system that i wish people would understand is that it truly isn’t as cut and dry as it may seem for member count.

you’ll see people who say they have “six alters” and then immediately assume it’s six fully fleshed out equal individuals with no confusion or fuzziness regarding identity. that’s simply not true in a majority of cases, as i have seen.

most systems still VERY much deal with confusion regarding potential splits, go through dissociative episodes where they’re unsure of who they are, sometimes feel no attachment towards any identities, feel like they might have split and then suddenly that person is gone, unsure if alters they haven’t heard from often have gone dormant, not sure how to react when alters do come out of dormancy, etc.

it’s not a fun feeling and it’s genuinely unfair in certain situations to force systems to list every single alter to you with full certainty, as if it will never change. because it will. for so many different reasons, systems will grow, they will shrink, they will fuse, they will develop. you can’t expect the person with the dissociative disorder and lack of core identity to be able to keep up a perfected list of forever, it’s simply impossible. you may have alters who stick with you, but that doesn’t mean changes won’t happen.

and systems who may be reading this — please don’t feel bad. you are not a hassle, you are not a headache, and you are not an inconvenience for simply coping with something like this. it’s out of your control and the only thing you can do is continue to cope to find ways to help yourself retrain from these reactions. please don’t allow yourself to be harmed by others who don’t understand what you are going through. there are people who will accept and love you for who you are, all of you.

past, present, and future.

What is your definition on: alter

(Google and other forms of search engines or A.I is not allowed.)

Syscourse Speedrun

- Endogenic means a system formed for reasons not correlated to trauma

- Endogenic does NOT mean a complete lack of trauma in an individual

- Endogenics, Pro-Endos and adjacent fundamentally view systemhood differently and outside of solely disordered experiences

That said...

- Complex Dissociative Disorders (DID/OSDD/Etc) have well known and studied ties to trauma, with complexity rising from prolonged and severe cases.

- Trauma is not part of diagnostic criteria to include those who cannot remember their trauma due to dissociation. Not because it isn't an important or known factor.

- Integration =/= Fusion, Integration is the lessening of dissociative barriers and a systems ability to function together. Fusion is the merging of parts.

- Final fusion and functional multiplicity are both viable end goals and up to the systems desires and needs. Integration is required for both of these.

- People are allowed to be affected positively AND negatively by their disorders and life experiences.

- People are also allowed to view their disorders in whatever way they desire

- It is not your job to police people because you think what they're doing is harmful for them.

- It is also not your job to tell people they have trauma that they just don't know about.

- Dissociation is a spectrum.

- Other disorders experience dissociative parts with less elaboration like those with DID/OSDD/Etc

- Westernized Tulpamancy and Tulpas as known today are not directly related to Tibetan Buddist Nirmanakaya or Sprul-pa. Westernized Tulpamancy comes from 20th century mystic explorers, who developed these ideas mostly independently.

- Vajrayana and Mahayana Buddhism are open and inclusive religions anyway, but what Tulpamancers practice is very different.

- There is a conversation to be had about the suppression of religious freedom that has affected Tibetan Buddhism, but it's still not a closed practice.

- Something here about Theosophy in relation to Westernized Tulpamancy

- Plural is not solely synonymous with system, and not everyone who identifies as plural is a system.

- Not every system will identify as plural either.

- The term plural has ties to other non-system communities such as alterhumanity.

- Plural is an inherently inclusive term.

- People are allowed to be wrong about their origins in whatever potential way.

- Being wrong is not equivalent to faking.

- Origins are self applied labels and tell you very little about a person and their system

- Origins can and often do overlap.

- Endogenic origins does not mean a system cannot be diagnosed and meet criteria for a CDD.

- People are allowed to view and label their parts in whatever way is best for them.

- System accountability is important. You are one tangible entity and you take responsibility for the things that occur because of your system.

- Discourse stances do not make a person or space inherently safer or more dangerous.

- People's actions speak louder than labels, and anyone can be a horrible person.

- Its up to a system to determine their own boundaries and needs.

- You don't need to argue if your boundaries differ from someone else's; enforce your own.

- Block people and topics that make you uncomfortable and especially if they're potentially triggering.

- Genuinely, please just learn to be friends with the block button.

- Harassment is bad no matter who you are.

- Yes it's still bad if you disagree with someone or think they're in the wrong.

- Criticism is not harassment.

- Even if you don't intent to change your mind, facilitating genuine conversation with people instead of assuming things about them or their experiences will contribute to a better interaction for both sides.

- Ableism is bad.

- Stop using things like delusional as Insults or treating people with ficticious disorder poorly.

- Stop treating mentally ill adults as inherently incapable of functioning or dictating things for themselves.

- Sanism is Also bad.

- Fake claiming is bad.

- Stop insinuating that pro-endos (and adjacent) aren't traumatized, aren't systems or can't have CDDs.

- Yes, again, fake claiming is bad even if you don't like or disagree with someone.

- Stop saying its "so easy" to tell who fakers are.

- The psychiatric and mental health systems are full of flaws.

- Diagnosis is a privilege for some and isn't for others.

- Some people may not want or desire a diagnosis for many reasons. This does not make their problems any less than.

- Being medically recognized is just as valid as having a diagnosis.

- Yes, therapists can diagnose people with things. A title does not equal credentials.

- If a therapist cannot diagnose you due to their credentials or other factors but suspects something, they will refer you to another professional who can for evaluation.

- Some therapists will choose of their own volition not to diagnose patients for varying reasons.

- Self diagnosis and self suspecting isn't a bad thing. Research is always encouraged for accuracy of what you suspect.

- The resources people find through self diagnosis even if not the right thing to suspect can be helpful for someone's situation.

- Reiterating here again that being wrong isn't faking, and that being wrong isn't a bad thing.

- Being able to help yourself cope is a good thing.

- Recognizing your symptoms if you intend to speak to a professional is also a good thing.

People are all different, be kind.

If you have questions I'm glad to talk, if you are aggressive or just trying to start something, you will be blocked :)