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Just because I'm bored, I sometimes go back to old leaks about season 2 of HOTD. I found the two I used to be most interested in and compared them with each other. I found them both on Reddit. One was released in February 2023 and the other in April of the same year. Here are the conclusions:
1. Rhaenyra vs Daemon
The first one says that Rhaenyra and Daemon will argue about actions taken during the war, which ends with Daemon slapping her in the face.
The second describes Rhaenyra over a table with a map of Westeros. Rhaenys and Daemon are with her. Daemon states that he has told Rhaenyra many times to send assassins to Aegon and Aemond, but she has refused each time. Rhaenys replies that they would be cowards if they attacked Alicent's sons in such a manner. Rhaenyra agrees with her and says that she would rather Aegon and Aemond die in battle than in the Red Keep. Rhaenyra also adds that it would have been better if Helaena had married Jacaerys. At which Daemon insults Helaena with ugly words, Rhaenyra tries to silence him, but Daemon continues by claiming that as long as Aegon's son lives the succession crisis will continue. Rhaenyra responds that killing the child is a low act and that they would be better off taking Jaehaera hostage until the Greens agree that the little princess should marry Joffrey and Aegon gives the throne to Rhaenyra. Rhaenys agrees with this idea. Daemon, on the other hand, is against it and insults Jaehaera. Rhaenyra is angry with Daemon and tells them both to leave, addressing Daemon that they will discuss the matter later.
Both leaks indicate that Rhaenyra and Daemon will come into conflict. The latest leak also indicates that Daemon will use some form of physical violence against Rhaenyra, again.
The second leak is very informative, and when I remembered it now I realised that a similar scene was shown in the last teaser.
In the picture we see Rhaenyra over the map, Daemon and Rhaenys, but also Ser Erryk. Rhaenys looks like she's looking at someone, so there may be someone else with them. Nevertheless, the discussion described could still happen in this teaser scene between the three.
2. Aegon and Helaena
The first leak describes Aegon at a meeting of the Small Council, attended by Otto and Tyland Lannister, among others. The men are discussing among themselves, while Aegon sits quietly with his hands on the table. They are discussing the death of Lucerys. Suddenly a guard appears and announces that the Queen (Helaena) needs urgent attention. Aegon says "If Aemond can kill one puppy, we can kill more", then apologises and leaves. Aegon then goes to see Helaena, who is with Alicent. Helaena faints, reaching out her hand to Aegon, and he catches her. Alicent informs Aegon that Helaena is pregnant.
The second leak describes a similar situation, only starting with what happened earlier. Helaena is in the chamber along with Alicent, the twins and the maester. The maester informs Alicent that Helaena is pregnant. Helaena smiles and says to Alicent that she wished she had been the first to know and that she would have told Aegon the news. Alicent is nevertheless concerned as she wonders what will happen if a boy is born. Helaena replies that she wouldn't mind another boy, but Aegon would prefer a girl, as Jaehaera is his favourite child. Alicent then tells the guard to summon Aegon to the chambers so she can tell him the news. Then a scene similar to the one in the first leak is described. We see Aegon at a meeting of the Small Council, playing with glass of wine. The council members discuss matters of trade amongst themselves, including Tyland Lannister, but Aegon replies that for all the extra money they should hold a tournament and that he would rather ride his dragon Sunfyre than attend a meeting. Criston Cole then appears and informs Aegon that he is expected in his chambers. Tyland Lannister jokes and says that apparently Queen Helaena needs urgent attention.
It seems that Maelor had not yet been born at that time. There is no description of him being in the chamber with Helaena and Alicent next to Jaehaerys and Jaehaera.
We also see Aegon interested in his wife, and we also learn that Jaehaera is his favorite child, so Aegon needs to spend time with his children to be able to determine who he likes more. Although this does not mean that he does not love his son. Maybe he prefers his daughter because she is not the heir to the throne? Aegon didn't have a good relationship with Viserys, maybe that's why he doesn't know how to deal with his son. Or maybe little Jaehaera reminds him of sweet and innocent Helaena? I leave this to everyone's own interpretation.
Most importantly, the description of Aegon's participation in the Small Council closely matches the scene from the teaser.
We see someone with his hands on the table, playing with a ball. There seems to be a cup next to him? Additionally, this person's outfit matches Aegon's outfit in another scene when he sits on the Iron Throne.
“Aegon sits quietly with his hands on the table.”
“We see Aegon at a meeting of the Small Council, playing with a glass of wine.”
In the photo we see hands on the table and probably a glass of wine next to the person. Which fits the descriptions I mentioned earlier from both leaks. It seems that the things described in both leaks may be accurate to some extent. And that's very interesting.
3. Blood and Cheese
Blood and Cheese was only described in the first leak, but it connects to the scene described in the second one, which I wrote about at the beginning. The leak informs us that the entire event will take place in the middle of the night. Helaena will be with her children in some aisle and they will talk. Suddenly Helaena hears voices and starts calling for Aegon and Aemond. When Blood shows up, Helaena grabs her children and starts running. However, Blood stops her and grabs her by the hair, while Chees rips Jaehaerys from her arms. Blood tells Helaena to give them Jaehaera or he will rape them both, but Helaena refuses. Cheese tells Blood to let it go because they have a boy and that's enough. As they leave, Helaena screams and her children cry. Cheese wants to run away with the boy in his arms, but Blood slits little Jaehaerys' throat. Helaena and Jaehaera scream. It also says "Cheese doubts before running."
Now I will not consider the event itself, why they decided to change it and so on (if this version is true). Let's focus on relating this version to the conversation between Rhaenyra, Rhaenys and Daemon.
“Daemon continues by claiming that as long as Aegon's son lives the succession crisis will continue. Rhaenyra responds that killing the child is a low act and that they would be better off taking Jaehaera hostage until the Greens agree that the little princess should marry Joffrey and Aegon gives the throne to Rhaenyra. Rhaenys agrees with this idea. Daemon, on the other hand, is against it and insults Jaehaera. Rhaenyra is angry with Daemon and tells them both to leave, addressing Daemon that they will discuss the matter later.”
“Cheese doubts before running”.
“Blood tells Helaena to give them Jaehaera or he will rape them both, but Helaena refuses. Cheese tells Blood to let it go because they have a boy and that's enough.”
What I will describe now is my own theory, which does not necessarily have to be true. Just speculation regarding the information mentioned above.
It appears that Rhaenyra was involved in renting Blood and Cheese as well as Daemon. However, they both had different goals. It is possible that Rhaenyra actually wanted to kidnap Jaehaera to hold her hostage, and maybe even kidnap Jaehaerys, if possible, to keep the Greens in her grasp. If we assume that Rhaenyra's target was only Jaehaera, it would explain why Blood insisted that Helaena give her to them. However, Cheese, seeing that Helaena was adamant and having Jaehaerys in his arms, quickly calculated that the boy was definitely a better option, so he says that it will be enough.
It is also said that Cheese wants to run away with the boy he was holding in his arms. So he probably didn't want to hurt him at that moment, or he didn't want to hurt him at all and deliver him to Rhaenyra safe and sound. However, Blood has other plans, he kills the boy and runs away. "Cheese doubts before running." Is this an indication that Cheese was surprised by Blood's action?
Now, my theory. Blood and Cheese were hired by Rhaenyra and Daemon, but it was Daemon who used Mysaria to find suitable candidates for the job. Rhaenyra just applauded. Kidnappers are kidnappers, if Daemon chose them it means they were good at their craft. Rhaenyra orders them to kidnap Jaehaera. However, Daemon has other plans, which only Blood informs about. He secretly tells Blood to kill Jaehaerys, and maybe even Jaehaera. I wouldn't be surprised if he also ordered him to rape Helaena and her daughter, especially since he had previously insulted them in leaks. So we have Cheese, who was going to follow Rhaenyra's orders, and Blood, who was initiated by Daemon and was going to kill the little prince, and maybe the princess.
Again, I leave it up to your interpretation.
An interesting thing is that, according to the leak, Helaena was supposed to be in the aisle during the attack. Where was she going with her children? Was she returning from Alicent? Or maybe she was just going to her, like in the book? In the book, Blood and Cheese attacked Helaena and her children in Alicent's chambers, where they were waiting for them. It's different here. Will Helaena be walking through the halls with her children and then they will be attacked? Or maybe she wasn't coming back from Alicent but from Otto? In the book, Helaena took often the children to Viserys, but this is not the case in the series. Viserys ignored Helaena, but Otto clearly had a good relationship with her. Maybe Helaena took her children to Otto, who told them stories, just like Viserys did in the book?
There is a scene of Helaena with one of the attackers in the teaser, but you can't see where she is in the background. The image is blurry.
Maybe Helaena is in some chamber and I'm misinterpreting the word "aisle". You'll have to forgive me, English is not my native language. Despite everything, this word was used in the leak.
4. Daeron the Daring
And finally, Ladies and Gentlemen, He.
In the first leak, we have information that Daeron will make his screen debut in Oldtown with Ormund and Garmund Hightower. Daeron and Ormund plan to travel to King's Landing to return Daeron to his family. Daeron says he can fly there on his dragon to greet Aemond and Vhagar.
The second leak describes a conversation between Aegon and Aemond, in which Aegon states that he is glad that for once their mother's anger is not directed at him, but at Aemond (referring to what Aemond did to Luke). Aemond is not happy about this comment. Aegon sees this and feels bad for saying it and tries to comfort Aemond by stating that Alicent's anger will eventually pass, as Aemond and Daeron are her favorite sons and Helaena is her favorite child. In turn, Aemond replies that Aegon is their mother's favorite child, to which Aegon does not answer. Aemond changes the topic of the conversation by saying that Daeron will arrive soon and that Alicent will forget what Aemond did.
In both leaks, we have confirmation of Daeron's existence in the series. Which is very optimistic. I know a lot has been said about Daeron, and most people seem to think that he won't be in the series at all or that he won't appear until season 3. However, let's focus on the optimistic version that Daeron, according to these leaks, will appear in season 2, one way or another.
Summary
Both leaks mention a few other things, but I decided to choose the most interesting ones. Interestingly, it is impossible not to notice that both of them overlap to a greater or lesser extent. It is likely that they come from one source, but different people had access to more or less details. Or they subjectively chose what might be the most interesting for us. I returned to them several times over the months until I finally decided to compare and combine them. Long post, but I hope it was entertaining for you. The closer we get to the premiere of season 2, the longer the days get. That's why I'm coming to you with this piece of information. Maybe you have your own thoughts or know more than me. I encourage you to refer to this.
I'm not saying everything here is true. Maybe it's all a lie. I don't know the exact sources of this information, I'm just quoting what I once found on Reddit. Some of you have probably heard about it. Think of it as fun. Let's hope that season 2 will be better than all the leaks that have appeared in recent months and that they will really surprise us with something good. Hopefully.
Let’s stay together because...
The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terrors.
I really love how Gaius evolved trough the seasons. This will be perfect !
Yooo, I thought Gaius may be the centurion asking Jesus to heal his slave too!!! Granted, the slave mentioned might've been adult and I didn't recall Gaius specify exactly how old his son and servant are, but Quintus once addressed him as "centurion" soooo... I think they're heading in that direction.🤔
yess! i'm fairly sure it's Gaius. I also rewatched the s3 trailer and saw this:
so it's probably the servant boy that will be sick that this season!
being on rh*enicent twitter during the alicole leaks pre s2 was the funniest thing ive ever seen in my life. two hot actors fucking on screen and you would have thought these women had seen active combat. people were saying they couldn’t eat or sleep because ryan condal and fabien frankel had personally come into their homes and forced them to watching 10 seconds of pussy eating with the machine from clockwork orange
Gosh I love them so much, can't believe I missed that.
Also a Nine Percent Reunion in the Year 2024 !!! I miss them all so bad will have to rewatch IP now.
NINEPERCENT GROUP LIVE ON WEIBO (zzt wzy wlk)
theyve talked about getting linong, chengcheng, justin and zhangjing on too (no other two but i guess i was expecting that…)
they sang a bit of mack daddy and started talking about how they never actually recorded it (CRIMINAL)
linkai complimented zhengting’s ep <3 and his long hair LOL
zhengting is complaining about justin rejecting his live request NDJSINFUHSNJ jiazheng in 2024 bless (“hes sleeping”)
“happy 6 years” DEAD. IM DEAD.
“bro i miss you”
talking about the last day… eating hotpot and drinking…
“do you remember the house the nine of us lived in? i miss that time so much”
DOING THE NINE HANDSIGN BUT ZHENGTING IS LAGGING SO HES NOT DOING ANYTHING (OK HE DID IT)
every time they say “the nine of us” my heart feels like exploding
“if we’ve changed, it’s only that we’ve gotten older”
“we changed clothes together” (linkai to ziyi) NPC LORE IN 2024?
“hello i’m zhu-zheng-ting” THEY ARE STILL CLOWNING HIM. AFTER SIX YEARS
why is zhengting eating a cucumber like a banana
“if its still the three of us next year im leaving the group chat”
“the next time we meet we should do an offline live”
I have two parents, both of them very much alive, and I look exactly like them.
Prophecies--girl, HOW am I supposed to hear a very important something or other ONE TIME and then remember if exactly in italics
Actually short term memory and slow sound processing in general definitely wouldn't help me out
Dreams--I fear I'm only capable of the 'mildly inconvenient nonsense' type of dream and not the 'evil one spelling out certain doom to me while I sleep' variety
I have the reflexes of an aged sea turtle
I have no friends
People would probably peg me as the smart one (I get good grades, have nerdy hobbies, and like spouting randon facts), but in fact I suck at riddles as well as at thinking under pressure, thinking outside the box, and recalling information that's actually important to a situation at any convenient time, so that wouldn't go well
I'd be dead, guys
If we get a Mailin S8 do you think we'll get Mailin/Constantin ship?
I just know that if they do this storyline, the fandom will collectively cancel the Show for good.
YOU. Because of you I had an Aemond x Helaena dream last night. I don't remember much but I think they were talking about their kids.
me every single time I get a aemond x helaena ask
So, having watched season 4 (with tears in my eyes) I'm quite sure that there won't be a 5 season.
And honestly, I'm ok with that. I think the finale did really well even if it raised a few questions which could be answered in a fifth season. But I don't see them doing it.
"you are the only person in the world who understands me and went through the same thing as me but we can't find it in ourselves to be there for each other"